William Hanley of the Financial Post (Canada) caught up with legendary investor Jim Rogers while he was in Canada this week. Despite the U.S. government’s growing interventions in the financial system, the CEO of Rogers Holdings is still skeptical of a positive outcome. Hanley wrote:

“I’m pessimistic because America is in recession and that’s having an effect on Europe and Asia,” he says, adding that the recession will last longer than most and be deeper than most because the U. S. government keeps making mistakes by bailing out one entity after another.

“The 29-year-olds on Wall Street and Bay Street have been driving Maseratis,” Rogers says. “That’s about to change. All these guys are going to have to learn to drive taxis.”

The former partner of George Soros in the Quantum Fund believes there will be quite a few brokers-turned-cabbies due to changes taking place on the financial landscape. Hanley wrote:

“The new financial centre could be in Shanghai or maybe in Singapore,” Rogers says. “I really don’t know where, but it’s shifting from New York and London toward Asia.”

Rogers shared his investment strategy with the Financial Post reporter. From the piece:

He continues to own the commodities themselves, not commodities stocks, because the current drop in natural-resource prices is just a correction that could last a quarter, a half or even a year…

He has been buying shares in some airlines, “a disaster area that’s close to a bottom,” and some beaten-up Chinese stocks… Meanwhile, he is monitoring auto stocks, which may become the next disaster area over the coming years…

Rogers is holding on to the Canadian dollars – “one of the soundest fundamental currencies” — he began buying years ago when he saw the commodities boom unfolding against a much-improved Canadian fiscal backdrop. “And I will be buying more along the line.” But recently he has been buying Swiss francs and yen.

He has been shorting the U. S. long bond in the belief that the growing mountain of U. S. debt and the necessity to print money to finance it means bonds have made a long-term top. “Bonds will be a terrible place to be for many years to come.”

And for years to come, Rogers says, water treatment, agriculture and Chinese tourism will be good places to be. China and India, especially, have huge water problems, food inventories are falling even as farmland is taken out of production and 1.3 billion Chinese are now able to travel freely in the world.

Those are the next big things. The best thing to do now in these clamorous markets, Rogers tells a reporter, might be to do nothing unless you have to. “You might just want to head to the beach.”

Sanya, China
“The Hawaii of Asia”

CEP News’ Christine Wong also got the chance to talk to the Singapore-based investor a few hours ahead of his scheduled speech to the Toronto Chartered Financial Accountants Society. She wrote yesterday:

“The American government is getting it wrong… and bailing out the wrong people.” He accused the U.S. lawmakers behind the bailout plan of trying to “bail out their banking friends.”

He predicted that in two years, when other problems crop up in the U.S. financial system, “the American government will be out of bullets.”

Rogers pronounced that “America is in a recession and the world is in a recession.”

Wong also noted that Rogers isn’t too impressed by the Republican and Democratic candidates for the White House. She wrote:

U.S. presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain were also in Rogers’s firing line.

“Neither one of them has a clue. Both would be disastrous” for the U.S. economic recovery, he said.

Sources:

“Contrarian becomes pessimist”
William Hanley
Financial Post (Canada), October 3, 2008

“Canada Will Feel U.S. Problems, But Won’t Suffer as Much, U.S. Investment Guru Says”
Christine Wong
CEP News (Canada), October 2, 2008

Jitendra Kumar Gupta from India’s Business Standard caught up with legendary investor Jim Rogers, who was in Mumbai for the launch of the Birla Sun Life Commodity Equities Fund. From the Standard’s website yesterday:

At the conference and in an interview with Jitendra Kumar Gupta, he shared his outlook on commodities and the world economy. Excerpts:

What is your view on global economy and inflation?
The world economy is in recession and the inflation is going to stay here, it is going to get worse. Some countries lie about it. But, inflation in all countries is going to get worse. The next decade is going to see lot more inflation, which is not good.

In this light, how can one beat inflation and generate higher inflation adjusted returns?
Commodities are the best inflation hedge, better than real estate better than anything else. Nothing can assure you better than commodities, but only if you are good at it. You have to pick the things that go up the most to make more money. Inflation does not cause prices to rise, price rise causes inflation.

Frequently, since the prices of the commodities go up before the inflation numbers, one can stay ahead of inflation. But, if you get it wrong you might do worse. So, investing in those commodities, which are going to go up first or selecting the right commodities, is the key to stay ahead of the inflation and make a lot of money…

Do you think Asian economies are decoupling from the rest of the world?
If you deal with the largest economy you are going to get affected by what is happening in America. If you are in the other sectors in Asia, such as water treatment and agriculture you have decoupled. You do not care what is happening in America.

But, if you sell to Wal-Mart, which is the largest retailer in America, you are going to suffer badly. So, some will decouple and some may not. Since India is such a closed economy, which is a negative as far as I am concerned, in this particular short term, India will suffer less probably than other countries which are more integrated with the world economy.

What is your view on the dollar?
Fundamentally, dollar is a terribly flawed currency. I am pessimistic about the future of the dollar; I expect it to continue to deteriorate over the next two or three decades.

The dollar is rallying at the movement because there are so many pessimists including me. But, I hope to use that rally some time in next year to get better of rest of my dollars. I do not want to own any US dollar. Also, I would not urge you to buy US dollar. Dollar is going to loose its status as world reserve currency.

Some of the OPEC countries have already started and no longer take dollar, like Venezuela no longer accepts dollar. Other countries, like Gulf, are already looking and may be taking a package of basket of currencies instead of dollar. I am not the only one who knows the dollar is in trouble. Anybody who watches the TV knows that the dollar is in trouble.

What is you assessment of the crude oil prices in the short and longer term?
I do not have idea as to where the oil prices are headed in the short to medium term. I do know over the course of the bull market, which perhaps has another 10 years to go, the crude oil price will be much higher.

Your bets in the commodity space?
Agriculture is one thing I will be looking for the next decade or so. Within commodities, I would not say these are the best, but may be sugar, coffee and cotton. I am also starting to look at some of the base metals they are down a lot; starting to look at some of these like silver, copper, zinc and gold.

Also, if you want to invest in Asia, commodities are the best way. Because, no matter what happens, the commodities have to be better, Asia has three billion people and is now involved in the world economy. Besides, in commodities you do not have to worry about corporate governance, central banks, unions, politicians or anything.

With gold prices correcting, do you still advocate buying gold?
I am trying and want to buy some gold. However, whether this is the low in the gold, I have no idea, but if gold goes lower, I will add some more. Gold is something I do not plan to sell. Gold is something I will gift to my children.

How will alternative fuels play?
Many politicians around the world are advocating bio fuel now. It is going to happen whether it is good or bad. There is going to be much more demand for the bio fuel going forward. This is also a reason that I am optimistic about the outlook of agriculture.

Your views on the water potential in Asia?
India and China have huge water problems. Water could be the next big investment. And, the best way is to invest in water companies which clean it, transport or pump it. Find the water companies that solve the water problem and you could be the richest person in India.

Source:

“’The US dollar is in trouble’”
Jitendra Kumar Gupta
Business Standard (India), September 15, 2008

India’s CNBC-TV18 spoke to well-known commodities investor Jim Rogers this morning. Rogers, the author of Hot Commodities, correctly predicted the rally in hard assets that began in 1999. Here are some notable excerpts from the exchange:

CNBC: We have seen commodities decline in the last couple of months, do you think it’s a moment to buy or there is more decline left in the market?
ROGERS: It is better to buy when things are going down rather than when they are going up but I have no idea whether this is the best time. Normally September and October in investment markets are weak months so you are at the right time to start investing in commodities if you have it.

CNBC: What would you buy? Would you buy commodities or funds or into mining companies, what seems best to you?
ROGERS: It depends on your ability. If you know a lot about commodities, you can invest in commodities and that’s difficult in India. If you are a good stock picker then you are much better investing in commodity companies or commodity funds. If you know a good stock picker who runs a fund buy that fund, you will make more money.

CNBC: What are you betting on the non-agro or the agricultural commodities?
ROGERS: I bought agricultural commodities recently. They have gone down and everything has been going down for the last couple of months. I would rather buy agriculture than most things these days.

CNBC: You have never liked US dollar but we have seen a resurge come in to that? How long do you think this would stay?
ROGERS: We are having a rally in the dollar because everybody is bearish on it including me and that always leads to a rally. I don’t know how long it’s going to last but I plan to sell this rally sometime in the next month or a year. I don’t know how long this is going to go but I know that US dollar is a terribly flawed currency and it has got terrible problems down the road.

CNBC: Gold prices have come down from USD 1,034/oz to USD 730/oz, do you think there is more downside left here or would you buy at these levels?
ROGERS: I am going to try to buy little bit of gold today here in India, not a major position. If it continues to go down, I hope I am smart enough to buy more. Gold could go to USD 500/oz and could have a big correction. All markets do that, they have big corrections and they scare everybody but a 50% correction is normal. If it goes down 50%, I hope I am smart enough to buy a lot more.

CNBC: What would you buy as of now?
ROGERS: I recently bought airline stocks, agriculture, Renminbi, Swiss Francs, and Japanese Yen.

CNBC: Do you still believe we are into a bull commodity market and we might see more highs going on from here?
ROGERS: Over the next decade, we are going to see more highs. The world is in a recession now; you may see lower prices for some commodities for a while just as you may see a lot lower prices for a lot of stocks. Of the two classes, I would rather own commodities than stocks because when the economies revive, commodities are going to revive first and go up the most.

Source:

“Invest in commodities now: Jim Rogers”
Moneycontrol.com (India), September 12, 2008

Jim Rogers appeared on CNBC early this morning and talked about a number of issues, including:

Possibility Of Recession

Recessions are like forest fires. Forest fires clean out the underbrush, they clean out things so that the forest can come out with a solid foundation and start with a new burst of growth. That’s what recessions are for. This is just like forest fires.

Keynesian-Type Stimulus Plan

Keynes has been pretty much disproven by most people, except maybe at CNBC…

Well, we will see what happens with this new stimulus package from Japan and from the United States. If you ask me, it’s the same mistake that America made in the seventies, they refused to let anybody fail, they kept propping things up with band-aids, and America had one of its worst decades its had in its 200 years of history. Likewise with the Japanese in the 1990s, they had their lost decade. I’m afraid we’re just extending things out, and we too, are going to have a lost decade.

U.S. Presidential Candidates

On Senator Barack Obama:

Well, he’s talking about spending a lot of money. Yes, I don’t consider that very good, going deeper into debt. The United States is already the largest debtor nation in the history of the world. I’m not sure that that’s going to solve anything.

On Senators Obama and McCain:

Neither one of these guys understand what’s going on. They don’t understand currency markets, economies, they don’t understand the world. You know, both of them will cause us more problems than they’re going to solve. If you happen to be friends with whoever wins, sure, you’re going to have a better time in the next four years. But the rest of us, the 300 million Americans, are all going to be worse off in the next four years. In fact, the world will be worse off.

Wall Street Bail Out

They’re bailing out Wall Street because all their friends are on Wall Street. When Ben Bernanke gets a phone call from the head of Lehman Brothers, he takes the call. But if some poor school teacher in Oklahoma calls Ben Bernanke, he doesn’t take the call. You know, he’s dealing with his friends on Wall Street, trying to save them, when in fact he should let them fail. And that would be a better solution. At least for 300 million Americans.

Letting Financial Institutions Fail

We’ve been having investment bankers go bankrupt for a few hundred years. Are you suddenly telling me that if investment banks on Wall Street go down the tubes, that the world’s going to come to an end? Listen now, a lot of 29-year-olds out there are driving Maseratis. Let them turn in their Maseratis. Let some of the rest of the people in America have a good time rather than people on Wall Street…

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Bailout

Why should the 300 million Americans take on the $6 trillion of debt that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac incurred? We didn’t have anything to do with it. It’s not our responsibility that a bunch of incompetents and crooks went out and ran up $6 trillion of debt. Why should we pay for it? It’s bad enough when the incompetents and crooks in Congress run up huge debts. But when people who aren’t even elected run up debts, why should Americans have to pay off that debt?

Inflation

Inflation’s going to get worse.

Commodities

I have not sold any commodities, and I’ve bought some more agriculture recently.

Emerging Markets

The ones that are in businesses which will not be affected by recession are going to do fine. Agriculture farmers around the world are finally going to be a lot better off. Maybe in ten years we’ll have 29-year-old farmers driving Maseratis instead of 29-year-old stockbrokers riding around in Maseratis. If you’re in the right areas, you’re going to do fine. But everybody’s going to be affected when large economies go into recession…

I’ve sold out of nearly all emerging markets because they were very over-exploited in the last two or three years. So I don’t really own shares in any emerging markets except of course China and Taiwan, which I still own. But other than that, I’m basically out of emerging markets around the world. Too many people around the world are flying around looking for hot emerging markets. That’s not a time to be investing in them.

Europe

Taxes are much too high in Europe. Nobody wants to invest in Europe with a high tax rate.

You can watch the entire 13 minute 3 second segment here.

Source:

Jim Rogers Interview
CNBC, August 29, 2008

Bloomberg interviewed emerging markets veteran Mark Mobius, who shared his belief that Vietnamese stocks have tremendous investment potential. Bloomberg’s Van Nguyen wrote this morning:

Vietnam’s stock market offers investment opportunities after a 45 percent slump this year, said Mark Mobius, executive chairman of Templeton Asset Management Ltd.

“Vietnam’s stock market now is down, so there are more opportunities,” Mobius said in an interview in Ho Chi Minh City, where Templeton opened its Vietnam representative office today. “The market will go up and will be much more valuable in about three years.”

Mobius, who oversees about $40 billion in emerging-market equities, is increasing Templeton’s investments in Vietnam after it bought a 49 percent stake in the fund management unit of Joint-Stock Commercial Bank for Foreign Trade of Vietnam, known as Vietcombank Fund Management, earlier this year.

Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), Vietnam

Nguyen noted the sectors Templeton’s Mobius is targeting. From the Bloomberg piece:

In Vietnam, Templeton will invest in retail banking, manufacturing and agriculture companies on Ho Chi Minh City’s stock exchange, Mobuis said. He expects the country’s economy to expand about 6 percent this year.

Source:

“Vietnam’s Stock Market Attractive for Investors, Mobius Says”
Van Nguyen
Bloomberg, August 22, 2008

Well-known commodities investor Jim Rogers is undeterred by the recent selloff in hard assets. Bloomberg’s Rattaphol Onsanit wrote this morning:

Jim Rogers, who in April 2006 correctly predicted oil would reach $100 a barrel and gold $1,000 an ounce, said a tumble in commodities from records represented a temporary reverse in a long-term rally.

“I don’t see that it’s the end of the bull market,” the chairman of Rogers Holdings, said in an interview in Bangkok before speaking at an investor conference later today. “Until either a lot of supply comes on stream or the economy collapses, the bull market will continue,” he said.

The co-founder of the legendary Quantum Fund added:

“I am contemplating whether it’s time to get involved in base metals again,” Rogers, 65, said today. “I haven’t bought any for awhile.”

Onsanit pointed out other areas Rogers felt may have potential. He wrote:

Rogers, who moved to Singapore after selling his New York townhouse last year, said he was still optimistic about agricultural commodities and China’s economy, favoring the tourism, education, infrastructure, and power generation sectors.

Beijing Opera

George Iype of India’s CommodityOnline.com shed some more light on Jim Rogers’ latest investment outlook. Iype wrote earlier today:

The high oil prices and the pull back in some commodity prices on recession fears have not dampened Rogers’ enthusiasm for resources investments. “I am very bullish on metals and precious metals. Crude oil price will continue to rise, because there is a major demand-supply mismatch. Those who blame speculators for high oil prices do not know how the Futures market and oil market operate. Rogers is also upbeat on agricultural commodities. “I am bullish on opportunities in the agricultural commodities market. I am investing there now. The secular bull market in commodities will continue to go on now for some years,” he adds.

Sources:

“Jim Rogers Says Commodities Will Rebound After Drop (Update1)”
Rattaphol Onsanit
Bloomberg, August 21, 2008

“Why Jim Rogers is bullish on commodities”
George Iype
CommodityOnline (India), August 21, 2008

Last week, Greg Brown of the Internet news site NewsMax.com interviewed legendary investor Jim Rogers. During the conversation, which appeared on the NewsMax site on Friday, Brown pointed out that Rogers “correctly called the horrendous decline in financial stocks, including the Fannie and Freddie mess.” The CEO of Rogers Holdings talked about this issue, and more, saying:

Well, we’ve had a wave of failures, yes. And we’re going to have more, I assure you, they’re going to be more coming over the next few years…

Washington is making mistake after mistake after mistake…

We’re going to have one of the worst decades we’ve had in a long time.

Investment Strategy

I think the stock market is going to be a bad place to be for some time…

These days, I’m more or less watching. I have bought some airline stocks recently. I have bought some agricultural products recently. I have bought some Swiss francs, and some Japanese yen recently. Some Chinese renminbi recently. That’s about all I’ve done to buy in the last few, in the recent past.

U.S. Dollar

The United States dollar is now a terribly flawed currency…

They’re on official record of saying they’re going to debase the U.S. dollar. That’s never been good for any country in history. But our central bank is doing their best to drive the value down.

Inflation & Interest Rates

In my view, there’s more inflation coming. They are debasing the dollar, and that’s going to make the long-term interest rates, and medium-term interest rates, go higher. The central bank might be able to control short-term interest rates for a while, but in my view, all interest rates will be going higher over the next few years, because of inflation, and debasing the currency, and several reasons.

Economic Outlook

Well, these are perilous times, in the economy, in the world economy, quite largely because of mistakes that we’ve made in the United States, unfortunately. Ten years ago we had the Asian crisis which affected the world markets. This time, I’m afraid, it’s going to be the American crisis, which is affecting world markets. So be very, very careful about anything you buy anywhere. Certainly in the U.S. including the currency. I think everybody should learn about international diversification, because, I’m afraid, things are going to be better outside of America than inside America. I don’t particularly like saying that, but one has to accept facts, and face facts, if one’s going to survive.

You can listen to the 7 minute 28 second video here.

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“Jim Rogers Interview: Washington is Making ‘Mistake After Mistake.’”
NewsMax.com, July 18, 2008

Legendary investor Jim Rogers has plenty to say about the price of crude oil and the U.S. government guarantee of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. CommodityOnline (India) recently spoke to Rogers, who said crude oil prices have risen due to supply-demand factors. The CEO of Rogers Holdings said those who are blaming speculators for high oil prices are incorrect in their assertions. CommodityOnline’s George Iype wrote this morning:

“Some people blame speculation for oil price rise. If it is speculation, when the oil price is too high, the people with oil will drown the speculators. It is just a stupid accusation that speculators are behind the oil rally,” he said….

He said the truth of the matter is that there is so much shortage of oil in the world. “The shortage of oil in physical market is higher than in the futures market. That is the reason for the high crude oil prices,” he said.

Rogers, a former partner of George Soros, spoke to Bloomberg this morning from Singapore and added his two cents on Sunday’s announcement of a U.S. government guarantee of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Bloomberg’s Eric Marting and Carol Massar wrote:

The U.S. Treasury Department’s plan to shore up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is an “unmitigated disaster” and the largest U.S. mortgage lenders are “basically insolvent,” according to investor Jim Rogers.

Taxpayers will be saddled with debt if Congress approves U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s request for the authority to buy unlimited stakes in and lend to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Rogers said in a Bloomberg Television interview.

“These companies were going to go bankrupt if they hadn’t stepped in to do something, and they should’ve gone bankrupt,” Rogers, 65, said from Singapore.

The author of Hot Commodities: How Anyone Can Invest Profitably in the World’s Best Market also told Bloomberg TV that the U.S. economy is in a recession, possibly the worst since World War II, and advised buying agricultural commodities as the bull market in raw materials has “a long way to go.”

The 15 minute 35 second Bloomberg interview can be viewed here.

Sources:

“Oil speculators are getting killed: Jim Rogers”
George Iype
CommodityOnline (India), July 14, 2008

“Fannie Mae, Freddie Rescue a ‘Disaster,’ Rogers Says (Update1)”
Eric Marting, Carol Massar
Bloomberg, July 14, 2008

The Chinese financial website ChinaKnowledge.com reported earlier today that famous investor Jim Rogers visited a sub-branch of China Minsheng Banking Corp Ltd in Nanjing and spoke to more than 500 VIP clients of the bank on global economic trends and investment opportunities in China. According to China Knowledge:

Jim said the Chinese government is the most successful government over the past 30 years, though the economy is currently facing some difficulties. However, he does not expect the current difficulties to change major economic trends; China will remain an active and dynamic economy attracting attention all over the world.

When asked about the recent scenario in Chinese stock markets, Jim firmly said the Chinese stock market deserved a favorable outlook on the basis of the country’s long and medium-term economic development prospects. The Chinese stock market is developing in an orderly manner and will further mature gradually. Far-sighted investors will see the bright outlook for the Chinese capital market, added Jim.

The American investor stepped into Chinese B-share market as early as 1999. He said the country’s tourism, public utilities, farm products and basic products markets are valuable avenues for investment.

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“Jim Rogers opens an account with CMBC”
ChinaKnowledge.com (China), July 2, 2008

Over the past few days, legendary investor Jim Rogers was in China making appearances at the opening of an investment club in Shanghai and an investor conference in Nanjing. Bloomberg’s Zhang Shidong wrote Monday:

Investors should avoid the dollar and buy commodities, which is the “best investment” for this year, said Jim Rogers, chairman of Rogers Holdings.

Avoid the dollar “at all costs,” Rogers said at the opening of an investment club in Shanghai today. “Agricultural prices have much higher to go over the next decade. We have a shortage of everything including seeds.”

Rogers, who called the beginning of the latest bull market in commodities back in 1999, still sees tremendous potential in hard assets. The author of Hot Commodities: How Anyone Can Invest Profitably in the World’s Best Market said today:

The best investments in 2008 are commodities and natural resources.

While in Nanjing last week, the Singapore-based investor told conference participants not to “give up” on Chinese shares, even though the country’s stock index fell almost 50% this year. Bloomberg’s Zhao Yidi wrote:

“Start buying when others say ‘never again’,” Rogers, 65, said today at an investor conference in Nanjing. There is “much money to be made” from investments in Chinese stocks, he said.

Even though China’s CSI 300 Index has fallen 52% from its peak back on October 16, Rogers said he hasn’t sold any of his holdings. According to Yidi:

Rogers told Chinese investors that the current correction is “the way the market works,” and they shouldn’t be a “market timer” trying to figure out when is the bottom. “You should get in at a time like now,” Rogers said. “I’m starting to think about buying again.” He said he’d be “investing in China for the rest of the century.”

In Nanjing, the creator of Rogers International Commodities Index (RICI) also predicted trouble for the United States. Rogers said U.S. stocks “are going to go down,” the subprime mortgage crisis “has many years to go,” and that the U.S. may be in its “worst recession since World War II.”

Sources:

“Avoid U.S. Dollar, Buy Commodities, Jim Rogers Says (Update2)”
Zhang Shidong
Bloomberg, June 30, 2008

“Rogers Tells Investors Not to ‘Give Up’ on China (Update3)”
Zhao Yidi
Bloomberg, June 28, 2008